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socratus
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Posted: Fri Dec 12th, 2008 05:12 pm |
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Black hole and Big bang.
1.
A black hole is a theoretical region of space in which the
gravitational field is so powerful that nothing can escape.
2.
Hawking Radiation theorizes that black holes do not,
in fact, absorb all matter absolutely; they give off some
return matter.
3.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and their
girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of
waves: electromagnetic, gravitational, muons…
gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a “single point”
The reason of this unity is gravitational force.
4.
How does this “single point” created if the matter
can escape from any strong gravitational force?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.socratus.com
http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
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socratus
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Posted: Fri Dec 12th, 2008 05:14 pm |
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Matter and “dark matter"
Fact and Speculation.
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1.
Fact.
The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small
(the average density of all substance in the Universe is approximately
p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it cannot “ close “ the Universe and therefore
our Universe as whole is “ open”, endless.
But what to do with the infinite Universe the physicists don't know.
The concept of infinite/ eternal means nothing
to a scientists. They do not understand how they could
draw any real, concrete conclusions from this characteristic.
A notions of "more", "less", "equally, "similar" could not
be conformed to a word infinity or eternity.
The Infinity/Eternity is something, that has no borders,
has no discontinuity; it could not be compared to anything.
Considering so, scientists came to conclusion that the
infinity/eternity defies to a physical and mathematical definition
and cannot be considered in real processes.
Therefore they have proclaimed the strict requirement
(on a level of censor of the law):
« If we want that the theory would be correct,
the infinity/eternity should be eliminated ».
Thus they direct all their mathematical abilities,
all intellectual energy to the elimination of infinity.
Therefore they invented an abstract "dark matter" and " dark energy".
They say: " 90% or more of the matter in the Universe is unseen.
And nobody knows what it is.
2.
Speculation.
Unknown “dark matter “ it is matter which makes up the difference
between observed mass of a galaxies and calculated mass……
which….will …” close “ ….the Universe, as …….
as……the astrophysicists want.
3.
The Dark Matter is another official dogma of our astronomy.
/ V. H. Vergon. /
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lyndonashmore
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 07:41 pm |
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Hi Socratus,
Welcome to the board.
To be honest, I am not sure what we are discussing here.
What would you like to discuss?
Cheers.
Lyndon
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socratus
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 08:55 pm |
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lyndonashmore wrote: Hi Socratus,
Welcome to the board.
To be honest, I am not sure what we are discussing here.
What would you like to discuss?
Cheers.
Lyndon
Dear Lyndon.
I try to explain that "big bang" is abstract theory.
I try to explain that Vacuum T=0K is basis of Nature and Physics.
I only try to give some new information.
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What is the first law of Universe: Vacuum or ‘ Big bang’ ?
=========.
The Physics is first of all Vacuum.
Vacuum is :T=0K.It is the empty space between milliards
of billions Galaxies. Why?
* * *
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and
their girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks,
all kinds of waves: electromagnetic, gravitational,
muons gluons field .. etc.) was assembled in a single point.
It is interesting to think about what had surrounded the single
point. The answer is : EMPTINESS- NOTHING.!!!
Ok!
But why does everyone speak about EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
common phrases rather than in specific, concrete terms?
I wonder why nobody has written down this EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
the form of a physical formula ? You see, every schoolboy knows that
is possible to express the EMPTINESS- NOTHING condition
by the formula T=0K.
* * *
Once there was a Big Bang.
But in what space had the Big Bang taken place
and in what space was the matter of the Big Bang distributed?
Not in T=0K?
It is clear, that there is only EMPTINESS, NOTHING, in T=0K.
Now consider that the Universe, as an absolute frame of reference is
in a condition of T = 2,7K (rests relic radiation of the Big
Bang ). But, the relic radiation is extended and in the future will
change and decrease. What temperature can this radiation reach?
Not T=0K?
Hence, if we go into the past or into the present or into the future,
we can not escape from EMPTINESS- NOTHING T=0K.
Therefore it is necessary to begin to think from T=0K.
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About the theory of the Big Bang is written
the thick (very thick) books.
But anywhere do not write about the reason of the Big Bang.
Anybody does not know it.
I know.
Action, when the God opens his palm,
have named the "Big Bang".
And action, when the God compresses his palm,
have named " a single point".
============ ========= ======.
Now it is consider that Newton / Einstein’s laws
of gravitation are the first laws of Universe.
============
1.
Newton was a clever man therefore when he discovered his
" law of gravitation" he quickly understood that
soon or later the all matter in the Universe had to gather
in the " singular point".
And because this effect does not happen in the Nature,
Newton , being very religious man , thought that only God’s
power did not give the matter to gather in a " singular point".
2.
And then atheistic time came. They decided :
As God does not exist, so the all matter in Universe
must gather in a " singular point".
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I don’t agree that Newton / Einstein’s laws
of gravitation are the first laws of Universe.
Why?
1.
Take simple atom: proton and electron,( small distances).
Nobody interests in gravitation interaction between
proton and electron . There is not any theory about
gravitation interaction between proton and electron .
Everybody interests only in electrical ( nuclear)
interaction between them.
It means that Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation
are local and limited.
This law in the small ( nuclear) distance does not work.
2.
Take Universe ( cosmic distances).
There is not theory about gravitation interaction between
galaxy A. and galaxy Z. We don’t need it.
Why? For example.
Let’s imagine of all apple- trees on our Earth
as a galaxy, and apples as stars.
Nobody will interest in the interaction between
an apple- tree in New York ( galaxy A.) and
an apple- tree (cherry-tree) in Varanasi (galaxy Z.).
It means that Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation
are local and limited.
This law in the big cosmic distance does not work.
3.
Detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small
(the average density of all substance in the Universe is
approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it is not able to isolate all
cosmic space in sphere. It mean that Universe (Vacuum) is infinite.
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Conclusion: Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation cannot be
" The first law of Universe."
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Sakharov's induced gravity: a modern perspective
Authors: Matt Visser (Washington University in Saint Louis)
(Submitted on 19 Apr 2002)
Abstract: Sakharov's 1967 notion of ``induced gravity'' is currently
enjoying a significant resurgence. The basic idea, originally presented
in a very brief 3-page paper with a total of 4 formulas, is that gravit
is not ``fundamental'' in the sense of particle physics. Instead it was
argued that gravity (general relativity) emerges from quantum field
theory in roughly the same sense that hydrodynamics or continuum
elasticity theory emerges from molecular physics. In this article I will
translate the key ideas into modern language, and explain the various
versions of Sakharov's idea currently on the market.
Sakharov's induced gravity: a modern perspective
--Matt Visser
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0204062
=====================================…
Questions from article:
http://www.physorg.com/news141317146.html
1.
what happened BEFORE the big bang,
2.
whether there was a "before."
3.
what may have happened in a "pre-big bang."
4.
"What banged? Where did it come from?"
5.
"Is ours the only universe? If so, how did it come to exist?"
6.
What are :
“the big bounce," "the multiverse," "the cyclic theory,"
"parallel worlds," even "soap bubbles."………
7.
What is: "Endless Universe: Beyond the Big Bang."
8.
……
particle smasher might discover extra dimensions
…
What are the extra dimensions: 4-D...etc ?
9.
“ shadow”……
travel between parallel universes ………..( !!! )
and cast a "shadow" that scientists might be able to detect. ……..
The shadow might take…….
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Many questions and the answer is one: T=0K.
!!!
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When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless
infinite void.
[size=http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-of-everything]
[size= ]
http://discovermagazine.com/topics/space
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
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lyndonashmore
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Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 07:32 am |
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1.
Take simple atom: proton and electron,( small distances).
Nobody interests in gravitation interaction between
proton and electron . There is not any theory about
gravitation interaction between proton and electron .
Everybody interests only in electrical ( nuclear)
interaction between them.
It means that Newton / Einstein’s laws of gravitation
are local and limited.
This law in the small ( nuclear) distance does not work.
This is not true.
What about Dirac's 'coincidence'?
The ratio of the size of the observable universe to the size of an atom is comparable with the ratio of the electrical (or nuclear) and gravitational forces between elementary particles. There is no explanation for this well known coincidence within conventional physics, but Dirac (1937, 1938) has conjectured that …..
http://www.columbia.edu/~ah297/unesa/universe/universe-chapter5.html
or
For instance, there's the famous Eddington Dirac number, which is 10[40] (10 to the 40). It's the ratio between the size of the universe and the classical size of the electron, and also the ratio between the electromagnetic force of, say, the hydrogen atom, and the gravitational force on the hydrogen atom. Dirac went down the garden path to try to make a theory in which this large number had to be what it was.
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lloyd2/lloyd2_print.html
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socratus
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Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 09:12 am |
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lyndonashmore found;
There is no explanation for this well known coincidence within
conventional physics, but Dirac (1937, 1938) has conjectured that …..
or
For instance, there's the famous Eddington Dirac number, which is 10[40] (10 to the 40).
It's the ratio between the size of the universe and the classical size of the electron, and
also the ratio between the electromagnetic force of, say, the hydrogen atom, and th
e gravitational force on the hydrogen atom. Dirac went down the garden path to try
to make a theory in which this large number had to be what it was.
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. . . . ..non-standard cosmologies refer to Dirac's cosmology as a
foundational basis for their own ideas and studies, some physicists
harshly dismiss the large numbers in LNH as mere coincidences
more suited to numerology than physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_large_numbers_hypothesis
“ the famous Eddington Dirac number” is a NUMEROLOGICAL PLAY.
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Best wishes.
Socratus.
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lyndonashmore
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Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2009 01:39 pm |
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Ah but you said
There is not any theory about
gravitation interaction between proton and electron .
Everybody interests only in electrical ( nuclear)
interaction between them.
Bolding is mine.
Dirac and others were interested and spent a great deal of time studying electrical and gravitational forces in an atom.
I agree that it is a numerical coincidence -but one that has been studied in detail,
Happy New Year to everyone.
Cheers,
Lyndon
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socratus
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Posted: Mon Jan 5th, 2009 08:13 am |
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The Dark Energy and the Vacuum.
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"Dark energy, this mysterious stuff in the vacuum of space
which makes the universe want to accelerate, is the basis
for standard cosmology today because it explains much
of what we see,"
/ Research by Dr David Wiltshire, from
New Zealand's University of Canterbury /.
#
Tony Bermanseder <PACIFICAP@.. .> wrote:
‘ May the Dark Energy bathe you in its mysterious
light of darkness and illuminate your skeptical minds.
. . . . . . .
4.
..the Dark Energy is INTRINSIC to the spacetime structure.’
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My opinion.
‘...the Dark Energy is INTRINSIC to the spacetime structure.’
‘the spacetime structure ‘ is Vacuum.
The Dark Energy is INTRINSIC to the Vacuum.
Vacuum is not a died space, but according to Quantum Theory
Vacuum is some kind of Energetic Structure/ Space.
The Energetic Vacuum itself is ‘ The Dark Energy ‘.
The physicists only invent new word ‘Dark Energy ‘ instead of
simple to say ‘ ENERGETIC VACUUM ’.
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#
If somebody belief in “ big bang” he must take in calculation
that T=2,7K expands and therefore T=2,7K is temporary
parameter and with time it will go to T=0K.
#
Dark energy may be vacuum
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uoc-dem011607.php
#
Sakharov's induced gravity: a modern perspective
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0204062
Authors: Matt Visser (Washington University in Saint Louis)
(Submitted on 19 Apr 2002)
Abstract: Sakharov's 1967 notion of ``induced gravity'' is currently
enjoying a significant resurgence. The basic idea, originally presented
in a very brief 3-page paper with a total of 4 formulas, is that gravit
is not ``fundamental'' in the sense of particle physics. Instead it was
argued that gravity (general relativity) emerges from quantum field
theory in roughly the same sense that hydrodynamics or continuum
elasticity theory emerges from molecular physics. In this article I will
translate the key ideas into modern language, and explain the various
versions of Sakharov's idea currently on the market.
#
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless
infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com/topics/space
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-of-everything
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Please, have patience and wait “when the next revolution rocks physics.”
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" The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly
describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description
of something more complex? "
/ Paul Dirac ./
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
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socratus
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Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 02:37 pm |
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My speculation.
Everything began from Infinite Energetic Vacuum: T=0K.
Somehow, the energy is extracted from the Vacuum
(the Energetic Dirac Soup) and turned into particles.
The Materialistic World gets its finite being
from an Infinite Energetic Being – Vacuum: T=0K.
To understand this ‘speculation’ we must know:
1. What is Vacuum: T=0K ?
2. Which virtual particles can exist in Vacuum?
3. How can virtual particles turn into real particles?
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Until now the physicists ignore the Vacuum Energy T=0K
because it is the Zero Point Energy for our measuring devices.
Because the Absolute Zero Point Energy is border for our
measuring devices.
Can this fact be enough reason to stop our investigation?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
#
When the next revolution rocks physics,
chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless
infinite void.
http://discovermagazine.com/topics/space
[size=http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-of-everything]
================ . .
Please, have patience and wait “when the next revolution rocks physics.”
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socratus
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Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2009 07:02 am |
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Where does the mass of the particle come from?
Now the physicists use the Higgs mechanism to give all the
elementary particles masses.
The mechanism requires the Higgs field to be nonzero in the vacuum,
exactly like spontaneous symmetry breaking. In this case, the broken
symmetry is gauged, meaning that the field which fills all of space,
the Higgs condensate, is charged. Gauge fields become massive
when there is a charged condensate, this is called superconductivity.
/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism /
My comment.
1.
We have Vacuum.
The Vacuum is the homogeneous Space of the lowest
( the background ) level of Energy: E= 0.
The Vacuum is also the homogeneous Space of the lowest
( the background ) level of temperature: T= 0K.
The question is: “ How can the homogeneous Vacuum be broken?”.
2.
If the Vacuum is some kind of Energetic Space, so according
to the Quantum Theory it must contains only
the physical - quantum - energetic particles. We named them
“ virtual particles”. The “ virtual particles” is not a “ pure
philosophical concept “ that is never observed in practice.
The Quantum Theory says that :
“ Its effects can be observed in various phenomena
(such as spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect, the
van der Waals bonds, or the Lamb shift), and it is thought
to have consequences for the behavior of the Universe
on cosmological scales. “
/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy /.
3.
Question:
How can “ the virtual particles” change the homogeneous Vacuum?
The Higgs mechanism. !!!???
In 1964 Higgs had “one big idea”, which could hold a clue
to how matter in the universe got its mass in the billionth
of a second after the Big Bang.
Higgs eventually came up with his theory of the Higgs boson,
a boson that gives mass to all other subatomic particles that
happen to interact with it in a ‘Higgs field’.
The more they interact, the heavier they become.
And the ones that don’t interact don’t gather mass.
The theory could not only throw further light on the creation
of the universe, but also help explain the shape of it.
At the European Centre for Nuclear Research
(CERN) in Switzerland the protons will be smashed against
each other at great speed and as result the first Higgs boson
nicknamed the ‘God particle’ will actually observe .
???
#
In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
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Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
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Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
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The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
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What was before - “ the big bang” or the vacuum ?
The physicists created “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look at how our physicists made this accelerator.
They made the vacuum and after they generated a big reaction
between two colliding particles in some small imitation of the
“big bang”. They didn’t make this process in the reverse.
So, what was prior in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum?
#
The Higgs mechanism can be considered as the superconductivity
in the Vacuum.
/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_mechanism /
My question:
How can “ the natural virtual particles” create superconductivity
space in Vacuum?
My answer:
Because “ the natural virtual particles” itself is energetic particles
and they create the superconductivity space therefore we are surprise
to see that this space haven’t electrical resistance.
And on my opinion this process in Vacuum connected with
gravity’s creation, with star’s creation.
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Question:
How can the homogeneous Vacuum be broken without using
“ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “ (not by compulsions )
but using “the natural virtual particles” ?
On my opinion to solve this problem we must understand
only three thing:
1.
What Vacuum is
2.
That physical and geometrical parameters have
“the natural virtual particles” in Vacuum.
3.
What „The Law of Conservation and Transformation of Energy/ Mass"
means according to “ the natural virtual particles” .
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P.S.
Many years M. Planck was attracted with the
absolutely black body problem.
If quantum of light moving with speed c=1 falls
in area of absolutely black body ( Kirchhoff’s Vacuum
radiation /Max Laue / ) and does not radiate back,
then “ terminal dead “ comes. In order to save the
quantum of light from death Planck decided that
it is possible that quantum of light will radiate this
quantum of light back with quantum unit h=Et.
Physicists say, that Planck’s unit is one: h=1.
Having this unit h=1 photon flies with speed c=1.
This unit doesn’t come from formulas or equations.
Planck introduced this unit from heaven, from ceiling.
Sorry. Sorry.
I must write: Planck introduced this unit intuitively.
I must write: Planck introduced unit h phenomenologically
So, where does the Planck’s constant ( h) come from?
#
It is important to realize that in physics today, we have
no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture
that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. ”
(Feynman. 1987)
So, where does the energy come from?
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